1. Beth Shak Engagement Ring
2. Beth Shak

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Beth Shak[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 26 Jul 2012 at 22:21:51 (UTC)

Reason

This high-quality image of professional poker player Beth Shak has been donated to the Wikimedia Foundation by Douglas Sonders, and (I believe) was handled through the OTRS by user The Rambling Man.

Articles in which this image appears

Beth Shak (lead image)

FP category for this image

People/Others

Creator

Douglas Saunders

• Support as nominator --A Thousand Doors (talk contribs) 22:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support There hasn't been something like this for a while (although slight crop may be warranted). Brandmeister^talk 08:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support. J Milburn (talk) 09:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Low EV as I wouldn't guess she's notable as a poker player from this image. If there would be a joker sticking out somewhere... Also staged images are non-neutral, but rather promotional. --ELEKHH^T 11:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Low EV. As Ms. Shak is not an interior decorator, far too much of this shot is occupied by a tastefully-appointed apartment; as Elekhh notes, this image's composition does nothing to link Ms. Shak to poker. While on a personal level I don't mind looking at photographs of women with pretty bodies, this image could be of any generic glamour model—its EV is harmed by the way that it minimizes her face against so much pleasant-but-extraneous matter. Truth be told, this image is high-enough resolution that there's a not-too-bad (featured-quality resolution, but not featured-quality composition) head-and-shoulders crop that would probably be better from an EV standpoint; I've uploaded such a crop for comparison but not voting. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Comment: although I'm not opposed to photographs of people not doing the things for which they are known, the promotional nature, stance and composition doen't lend themselves to it being a clear portrait of the person. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 21:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support the image does seem promotional and unrelated to poker, but it wouldn't be out of place in the collection of existing Featured Pictures at Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/People/Entertainment, so I don't feel there is sufficient grounds for an oppose on the basis insufficient EV or the promotional pose. Someone is welcome to do a D&R later with a photo of her playing poker. 07:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support High quality portrait image. If she was only a poker player then I probably wouldn't support for the reasons above (would be better to have some kind of context or a more neutral/natural candid shot) - however per the article, she is also a fashion designer (women's shoes in particular) and this justifies the glamour photo IMO --Fir0002 10:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose She is not a model, so zero EV. Just another picture with boring background (is this a fridge next to her?). Also it is rather promotional.--GoP_T^CN 13:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
  • We have several promoted photographs of people that are portraits rather than them doing the thing(s) for which they are famous (one example). Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 15:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
    • I think the fame of the subject may change the criteria slightly. Sammy Davis Jr is unquestionably a notable figure. Beth Shak isn't, and interest in her should be related to her poker playing, not her (provocative, in the case of this photo) appearance or her lifestyle. robo (talk) 09:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose It is great to get high-quality full-resolution professional photographs. But, as noted at Commons, this is surely not the best photo taken during that shoot: her left foot is off the ground and her knee sticks out against the door. And it is more about her fine apartment than her personally. I note that we have a high-EV photograph of her File:Beth Shak.jpg which isn't FP quality but more appropriate for the article. However, it was removed from the article for non-encyclopaedic reasons (see talk). She's notable for the poker aspect and nothing else as far as I can see. I don't buy the fashion designer justifying glamour shot claim (read the article carefully: she collects shoes and plans a range of fashion, according to the unsourced text). If she was a fashion model or tv presenter then perhaps the pose would be appropriate. Colin°^Talk 17:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• Finally someone points out the dislocated knee cap! 131.137.245.209 (talk) 09:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• (Strong) oppose this is a PR photo with next to no EV. Nick-D (talk) 10:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Weak Support Per Colin. I don't see anything in the criteria that says a promotional picture has any less EV then a non-promotional picture (a picture is a picture.) I believe that we are supposed to judge nominations by the criteria, and vote based on those set guidelines, not come up with a random reason to oppose (with an exception to Colin who actually found some minor flaws, and I agree with most of his concerns). I see no reason for opposing due it possibly being a promotional picture. Dusty777 02:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The reason is one of much higher importance than the FPC guideline, it is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia, the neutral point of view principle, which states that articles should 'document and explain the major points of view in a balanced and impartial manner'. Promotional is not impartial. And since there it is only one image in the infobox, and in the whole article, the representation is not impartial. --ELEKHH^T 12:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Hmm. Balance is a luxury we can rarely afford for pictures, particularly for people. We pick from a very limited choice so tend to include any reasonable picture. And photographs, of any quality, are nearly always posed so naturally present a positive side of the person. When judging EV, we're looking at just one photo, so it can't sum up the person in their entirity nor can it be balanced on its own. It helps EV if the picture shows off an important aspect of their personality (such as the sport they play, or career). I don't think we should rule out promotional pictures, indeed for someone who is a 'star', a promotional picture has higher EV than some random snapshot of them walking down the street. I agree that this promotional picture has low EV but a promotional picture of her playing poker might have great EV. Colin°^Talk 14:17, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Very much agree with the last sentence. However, I can only assess EV in the context of the whole article, not simply by 'looking at just one photo'. And while no single image can 'sum up the person in their entirety', five documentary pictures will provide a much more comprehensive and balanced representation than five promotional ones. --ELEKHH^T 14:54, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

• Tell me, what makes a promotional picture different then a non-promotional picture? Elekhh, can you elaborate a little on how the picture being a promotional picture affects the NPOV? It seems to me that is an issue with the article... I don't see how that affects the nomination. Dusty777 00:37, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't speak for the others but in my mind it's not about neutrality; it's about the fact that the photograph is staged so as to show off the subject is a glamour sense and not about documenting what she actually looks like for an encyclopedia. The staging here detracts from how well it illustrated the subject for the encyclopedia. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 14:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I do think this is missing the point. 'Documenting what they look like' isn't generally why people commission photographs or even permit photographs to be taken. I don't see any passport photographs making FP. Would you expect a high-EV photo of Audrey Hepburn to be anything other than staged to show of a beautiful actress? This kind of photo might be appropriate for another biography article, but seems unjustified and inappropriate here. What next? Boudoir photographs for Olympic athletes? Colin°^Talk 15:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Not Promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 03:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

American poker player Beth Shak only discovered poker in 2002, but by 2004 she was playing professionally, and has been ever since. She initially learned the game by playing on Full Tilt Poker’s ‘Play Money’ tables, but quickly graduated to real money.

When she entered the live poker arena, she found it to be difficult at first, stating that she had to learn not to be intimidated by men. Once she got the feel of it, however, she was a force to be reckoned with.

Beth Shak has a total of ten tournament cashes to her name, which places her among the top tier of the Women’s All-Time Money Winners. In 2005, she finished eighth in the World Series of Poker Ladies event, which at the time was only her second live tournament. In 2007, she placed second in a WSOP $3K No Limit Hold’em event for $328K, which remains her largest cash. All told, she has over $450K in live poker winnings, $360K of which has come at the World Series of Poker.

Beth Shak Engagement Ring

Away from poker, Shak is developing a line of clothing that will prominently feature hoodies, as well as high-end lines of shoes and lingerie. Under the media spotlight, she has appeared at multiple events at the Playboy Mansion, on MTV Cribs, and in YRB Magazine’s ‘Rock It’ fashion spread.

Beth Shak

On a personal level, Beth Shak splits her time between New York and PA. She loves working out, gourmet cooking, fashion, reading, and poker. On her website, Shak writes, “I am a very lucky woman. I take the time not only to see the roses, I smell and I savor them. I have a very supportive family. I want to be the best poker layer I can be, and when I put my mind to something, I will work and work until I achieve it.”